First, who decides to make a price of a product so high that the consumer of such quits buying? The govt. thru taxes? Or to the retailer? So then that means the controller decides, like soda pop out East. And where does this tax go?
Let me explain the beef system of supply and demand. A few years ago due to drought out west ranchers were forced to start liquidating herd numbers down,of coarse the number of weaned calves to go to finishing kept going down. At same time beef consumption was high. The packers started bidding up as it was profitable to buy the beef. As finished cattle prices went up producers that buy calves to grow to market wt started bidding up against each other to finish as there was a ROI, return on investment. Mama cows producing calves in the country continued to go down, lowest numbers in decades. The cycle has just kept going. End product keeps moving. Imported beef from Brazil stays steady. If retail beef gets too high the fed govt will allow more imports. Last time beef got too high to suit the powers that be imports from Australia were increased to curtail the higher prices. Australia has been experiencing drought problems as well now.
Also I didn't record the info I saw but the large ant of people using assistance are buying a lot of beef with their free money. Thank you tax payers. I volunteer at a monthly HACAP food dispersal to families in a part of my county and it's interesting to see the amt of govt bought beef, chicken, fish given away. I also volunteer at a food pantry and the same observation.
I don't have time right now to address artificial high pricing of crop nutrients.
Sorry I like to discuss sensibly so can't shut up and I am sitting down. What I meant was 'how to make the price of crop nutrient inputs so high a crop producer could not afford them'. If it's taxed beyond belief, where's the money go and WHO decides? Yes subsidies have become the norm for many crops in this country. Why? It is true that many yrs ago the powers that be that govern u and me were worried about food security. There were times we could only plant so much corn on a farm, according to the corn base alloted. If didn't participate u didn't qualify to be able to get a cheaper loan on the grain till sold. Just so many things. I remember when no carrot on stick from govt, but as the payments for this or that came along a producer eventually had to or the ones that took advantage of it would gobble u up.
I'm guessing the countries u refer to don't have the vast amt of good grazing and feed stuffs area for the brood cow and offspring we have in this country. Eating single ingredient beef is not unhealthy. I'm don't believe the majority of our ag practices are of destructive nature. And, I sure would like for it to be explained to me how farmers would be better off, to your question, because I sure don't understand how..
As I pointed out, Asian countries are not fortunate to have the vast areas in their countries to support beef production as in the U.S. Beef production is a part of most states in this country.
I agree we in this country eat more red meat than we may need. Yes I've been observing the green-house gasses issue. I have seen that daily jet flights are producing more green-house gases than beef production, for some they'll lower beef production when less jetting.
Thx. Also make sure you don't always take to heart what u read from some people who have a tendency to have an agenda and possibly word things that their info can be misconstrued.
In my opinion our beef producers would not be better off. I have friends, neighbors and relatives that graze land that should not be cropped or too dry area for crops and use their beef enterprise to compliment and intertwine with their overall farm operation.
Any quality beef advertises? It’s finishing feed. Whether it’s corn, grass or what have you. You’re just making shit up at this point. Stop. It’s embarrassing.
And most of it is shit. If you had one of my Kansas City strip certified organic Angus steaks, you never go back. Stop shopping at the grocery store. Check out #LocalHarvest.org.
Well, I have had certified organic Angus Beef which of course could have had been fed organic corn. It was OK don't recall being any better. My beef and pork does not come from grocery store but from home fed done at local small processing plant.
Simply price it at what it truly cost. All conventional agrabusiness commodity producers are completely based on fossil fuels from the diesel to the chemicals to the fertilizer. All killing the soil and complex lifeforms on earth. Including us. Can you put a price tag on healthy and clean food, water, and soil?
Also me and many others I know are slowing building the organic matter of our soil, according to periodic soil analysis. which increases water and nutrient holding capacity and productivity. We do this with crop residue, livestock manure, and dried human feces We also do this by keeping erosion to a minimum by not disturbing the soil with tillage. Very slow process.
Building soil is not slow. If you know how to do it. Erosion is best controlled with strip cropping. Nine times on average more efficient than seven-figure terraces.
You mean you are slowly building the organic matter of the soil?
I do know that organic farming takes more diesel per acre and more per unit of the much lower production than my no-tll corn/SB production. As growing up as a young child we were organic producers and didn't know it. Back then, before crop protection inputs of today, we rotated to oats, a yr of hay with part of the seeded ground fenced for hogs to be fed in the field, then a year or 2 of corn. The corn and hay fields were usually moldboard plowed in spring. Then tilled at least twice, then cultivated up to 4 times. The carbon was being cooked out of the bare soil and way more tons of soil washed away than today and the areas of top soil being gone got bigger
If u grab a handful of my soil u will see healthy soil. My soils are alive with fish worms and live soil bacteria.
Not if you’re using anhydrous ammonia, glide phosphate, die, Camba, and Notal with simple too late cover cropping systems. Just not. Nine out of 10 conventional, farmers soil, edition, tilth challenged, between compassion, and the molecular Efecto by 40 8 PM to crops is not a rotation. The NPK model is nothing more than a fertilizer sales gimmick. You are literally killing the soil. If you are growing, conventional, GMO, corn and soy beans. You are killing the soil. I don’t care if you live in Iowa and have the richest soil on earth. You’re just taking longer to kill it.
The tiny bit of diesel per acre that I use compared to my conventional counterparts is statistically insignificant. Your claim about yields is blatant ignorance. I consistently out yield all of my neighbors and every single crop but corn. Which, certainly doesn’t need to be part of the fuel equation and definitely not human food for the 10 to 15% less that I grow is all fed to animals.
Also, by circumstance, I make half of my diesel from organic soy. A definite negative in the balance sheet. But hey, is it all about money?
Sorry, I was referring to the organic farmers I observe, whether the English or Amish. What crops out yield your neighbors. What part of the country are u located in?
First, who decides to make a price of a product so high that the consumer of such quits buying? The govt. thru taxes? Or to the retailer? So then that means the controller decides, like soda pop out East. And where does this tax go?
Let me explain the beef system of supply and demand. A few years ago due to drought out west ranchers were forced to start liquidating herd numbers down,of coarse the number of weaned calves to go to finishing kept going down. At same time beef consumption was high. The packers started bidding up as it was profitable to buy the beef. As finished cattle prices went up producers that buy calves to grow to market wt started bidding up against each other to finish as there was a ROI, return on investment. Mama cows producing calves in the country continued to go down, lowest numbers in decades. The cycle has just kept going. End product keeps moving. Imported beef from Brazil stays steady. If retail beef gets too high the fed govt will allow more imports. Last time beef got too high to suit the powers that be imports from Australia were increased to curtail the higher prices. Australia has been experiencing drought problems as well now.
Also I didn't record the info I saw but the large ant of people using assistance are buying a lot of beef with their free money. Thank you tax payers. I volunteer at a monthly HACAP food dispersal to families in a part of my county and it's interesting to see the amt of govt bought beef, chicken, fish given away. I also volunteer at a food pantry and the same observation.
I don't have time right now to address artificial high pricing of crop nutrients.
The consumer. Good God man you just talk to hear yourself jabber don’t you?
Artificially hi? The entire fucking agrabusiness system is one gigantic subsidy! . Shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down.
Sorry I like to discuss sensibly so can't shut up and I am sitting down. What I meant was 'how to make the price of crop nutrient inputs so high a crop producer could not afford them'. If it's taxed beyond belief, where's the money go and WHO decides? Yes subsidies have become the norm for many crops in this country. Why? It is true that many yrs ago the powers that be that govern u and me were worried about food security. There were times we could only plant so much corn on a farm, according to the corn base alloted. If didn't participate u didn't qualify to be able to get a cheaper loan on the grain till sold. Just so many things. I remember when no carrot on stick from govt, but as the payments for this or that came along a producer eventually had to or the ones that took advantage of it would gobble u up.
I'm guessing the countries u refer to don't have the vast amt of good grazing and feed stuffs area for the brood cow and offspring we have in this country. Eating single ingredient beef is not unhealthy. I'm don't believe the majority of our ag practices are of destructive nature. And, I sure would like for it to be explained to me how farmers would be better off, to your question, because I sure don't understand how..
As I pointed out, Asian countries are not fortunate to have the vast areas in their countries to support beef production as in the U.S. Beef production is a part of most states in this country.
I agree we in this country eat more red meat than we may need. Yes I've been observing the green-house gasses issue. I have seen that daily jet flights are producing more green-house gases than beef production, for some they'll lower beef production when less jetting.
Thx. Also make sure you don't always take to heart what u read from some people who have a tendency to have an agenda and possibly word things that their info can be misconstrued.
In my opinion our beef producers would not be better off. I have friends, neighbors and relatives that graze land that should not be cropped or too dry area for crops and use their beef enterprise to compliment and intertwine with their overall farm operation.
Raise the price? Look at price of beef now.
Any quality beef advertises? It’s finishing feed. Whether it’s corn, grass or what have you. You’re just making shit up at this point. Stop. It’s embarrassing.
And most of it is shit. If you had one of my Kansas City strip certified organic Angus steaks, you never go back. Stop shopping at the grocery store. Check out #LocalHarvest.org.
Well, I have had certified organic Angus Beef which of course could have had been fed organic corn. It was OK don't recall being any better. My beef and pork does not come from grocery store but from home fed done at local small processing plant.
Simply price it at what it truly cost. All conventional agrabusiness commodity producers are completely based on fossil fuels from the diesel to the chemicals to the fertilizer. All killing the soil and complex lifeforms on earth. Including us. Can you put a price tag on healthy and clean food, water, and soil?
Also me and many others I know are slowing building the organic matter of our soil, according to periodic soil analysis. which increases water and nutrient holding capacity and productivity. We do this with crop residue, livestock manure, and dried human feces We also do this by keeping erosion to a minimum by not disturbing the soil with tillage. Very slow process.
Building soil is not slow. If you know how to do it. Erosion is best controlled with strip cropping. Nine times on average more efficient than seven-figure terraces.
You mean you are slowly building the organic matter of the soil?
I find you not credible.
I do know that organic farming takes more diesel per acre and more per unit of the much lower production than my no-tll corn/SB production. As growing up as a young child we were organic producers and didn't know it. Back then, before crop protection inputs of today, we rotated to oats, a yr of hay with part of the seeded ground fenced for hogs to be fed in the field, then a year or 2 of corn. The corn and hay fields were usually moldboard plowed in spring. Then tilled at least twice, then cultivated up to 4 times. The carbon was being cooked out of the bare soil and way more tons of soil washed away than today and the areas of top soil being gone got bigger
If u grab a handful of my soil u will see healthy soil. My soils are alive with fish worms and live soil bacteria.
Not if you’re using anhydrous ammonia, glide phosphate, die, Camba, and Notal with simple too late cover cropping systems. Just not. Nine out of 10 conventional, farmers soil, edition, tilth challenged, between compassion, and the molecular Efecto by 40 8 PM to crops is not a rotation. The NPK model is nothing more than a fertilizer sales gimmick. You are literally killing the soil. If you are growing, conventional, GMO, corn and soy beans. You are killing the soil. I don’t care if you live in Iowa and have the richest soil on earth. You’re just taking longer to kill it.
The tiny bit of diesel per acre that I use compared to my conventional counterparts is statistically insignificant. Your claim about yields is blatant ignorance. I consistently out yield all of my neighbors and every single crop but corn. Which, certainly doesn’t need to be part of the fuel equation and definitely not human food for the 10 to 15% less that I grow is all fed to animals.
Also, by circumstance, I make half of my diesel from organic soy. A definite negative in the balance sheet. But hey, is it all about money?
I like the idea u make part of your diesel fuel needs.
Sorry, I was referring to the organic farmers I observe, whether the English or Amish. What crops out yield your neighbors. What part of the country are u located in?